Episode Transcript
[00:00:13] Speaker A: You're listening to the Brand Alchemy podcast with your hosts Jared Asher and Jarrod Brake, where we uncover the stories and truths of real entrepreneurs and their journeys of growth and brand transformation. For more information, go to www.timelesscreative.com.au
[00:00:35] Speaker B: Hi, guys, how you going? Welcome to the Brand Alchemy Podcast where we uncover the stories of entrepreneurs who transform their visions into reality. I'm here today. Jared Asher Herring joined with my co host, Jarrod Brake.
[00:00:48] Speaker C: Hey everyone, Jarrod here. Thanks for joining us. I'd like to welcome you here. It's great to have you here today.
[00:00:55] Speaker B: Right, thank you for being here, everyone. We have got a special guest by the name of Paula Willis, a Sunshine coast lady, a professional development specialist, career and transitions coach, and a founder of a company on the Sunshine coast called Worth Careers and Transitions. Welcome, Paula.
[00:01:13] Speaker A: Thank you for having me.
[00:01:15] Speaker B: Thank you for being here. So let's get into it, shall we?
[00:01:19] Speaker A: Keen to.
[00:01:21] Speaker B: Cool. So, first things first. Tell me, tell me a bit about you, your story, your journey, what you do. Just so the audience knows a bit about Paula Willis and your background. Give us the insight, please.
[00:01:33] Speaker A: Of course.
So my background is in the corporate world, corporate leadership, education.
I have worked in that sort of space for several decades. Let's just say that I've had amazing experiences as an employee and I've worked in some really toxic workplaces.
I recognise now I probably have a little bit of ADHD. So I've always worked full time, but then done consulting on the side as well, or studied. I've got multiple degrees, just always wanting to keep learning and moving forward. But that actually led me to burnout.
So I was living down in Canberra at the time, you know, working sort of 70 hour weeks, just could not seem to get out of that pattern. So I grew up on the Sunshine coast, as you said. So I moved back to the Sunshine coast hoping, you know, a sea change might break that pattern that I developed. But I probably left it a little too late because then I got diagnosed with breast cancer and I definitely link that to my burnout.
So that was a real, I guess, huge transition for me to have to stop working, which that was where I found my worth, you know, by what I could achieve. So I had to stop that and let that go.
I did a psychology degree within 12 months of finishing treatment. And that really helped me shift from this need to work and prove myself to actually recognizing it wasn't about what I could achieve, you know. So this is why I established Worth Careers and Transitions, because I've been through some Pretty significant transitions myself. And I can see how investing sort of too much in one's career can lead to burnout, which isn't good for you. It's not good for the people around you. So this is why I established Worth careers and transitions to kind of help other people self identify that they might be on these patterns as well in their career that are not going to satisfy them and not going to give them the outcomes they're actually looking for and can backfire. So this is where Worth comes in. So my clients are usually quite successful professionals, often in midlife. So they're facing transitions, they're empty, nesting, maybe have gone through divorce, maybe just not satisfied with the career anymore.
Burnout also, and they're looking to make the change, but they don't know how. And this is where I come in. So my foundation in education is obviously my starting point. So that's obviously where I get a lot of my clients as well, from the professional development events, retreats, workshops that I provide through Worth. And it tends to resonate with people that are in transition.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: Lovely. Yeah. Wow, that's. That's a lot. That's a lot, Paul. Yeah, that's a. That's a lot. Thank you for sharing that. I mean, I. We were obviously having a brief conversation before we. We pressed the record button, didn't we?
[00:04:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:56] Speaker B: And we're talking about, you know, where you've been, where you grew up, you know, where you've traveled to, and you've got a lot of history there. But to hear what you just said then, you know that you went through a significant life event such as breast cancer.
That's. Yeah. Wow. That's, that's, that's full on. Yeah. And, and can I just ask, when did that actually happen, Paula?
[00:05:18] Speaker A: So I was. Well, we moved up from Canberra to the Sunshine coast in 2019, and within six months I was diagnosed with breast cancer.
So it was stage three, which is pretty significant.
And did a year of treatment and actually was still.
Was still on that hamster wheel of I've got to get back to work, because if I'm not working, who am I? So I actually went back to work nine months into my 12 months of treatment.
And I was so strong willed that even though people around me were saying, this is ridiculous, you can't walk, you've got no memory, you're really struggling. How on earth are you going back to work?
I just had the resilience to push, push through, which in retrospect was ridiculous.
But it really, I guess when I was Diagnosed, I thought, well, if I'm going to have downtime, I'll do a degree, which had been my pattern.
So I had always wanted to study psychology. So I enrolled in a psychology degree which started two weeks after my chemo regime began. And it was pretty obvious very quickly that there was no way that I was going to be able to study while going through treatment. I really just had to survive the treatment. So I put the degree on hold and went back to it a year later.
And the things that I learned through that psychology degree was really what made the shift for me. So it was shocking to me that I, I could have died. So I got a life threatening illness and it wasn't enough to circuit break the, the pattern of overworking. It took me to do the psychology degree to understand why I had done that, why was I almost self destructive in my mission.
So yeah, it was the psychology degree that actually saved my life because I'm sure that there was definitely a correlation between my burnout and my cancer diagnosis. And I'm sure it would have kept reoccurring if I hadn't changed my whole approach to life, to be honest.
[00:07:44] Speaker B: Wow, that's crazy. That's absolutely crazy. I would have to digress from yourself here, but just, just so everyone can understand my thing as well, I can fully resonate here with you, Paula. My dad actually passed away about going on two years this year on July, on June 5th. And he went, he was a very tough cookie, very determined, very healthy, you know, walked every single day of his life and never smoked a cigarette, didn't drink, super healthy. And then he was just diagnosed with brain cancer randomly, out of the blue. And then within 28 days, from the day that he was diagnosed, four weeks to the day he was gone.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:08:28] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I, I'm sorry. Yeah, thank you, Paula. But the reason why, I guess I'm, I'm saying that is, is like I can fully understand, you know, and resonate the fact that you've been through something like that and come through the other side and, and something within you is really what has, has changed, or not so much change, but accelerated what you're doing and your purpose, I guess. Am I correct in saying that? Like, is it that the psychology degree and.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: Absolutely. You know, my husband actually, when I was unwell and, and still demanding that I just had to get back to work, he was trying to say to me, you know, like, life is short, it's not all about work. And I just, the mindset shift hadn't occurred, which is why, when it actually did through, you know, greater self understanding of how identity is formed and, you know, how our values and belief structures are formed and social conditioning as well. I felt that because I was working in the corporate world in leadership, I had to kind of live well. I guess my leadership style was quite masculine, which I understand now was really linked to burnout, because I wasn't actually leading in a way that was aligned with who I was.
So I've. I've learned more about sort of feminine leadership styles versus masculine leadership styles, which, you know, five years ago I wouldn't have been a believer in. I would have gone, why are we doing any kind of gender split here? But they're very different approaches to leadership, and I think if I understood that better when I was younger, I could have prevented the burnout. So a lot of my clients are women because this, the things that are contributing to their leadership struggles and the things that are making them overwork and leading to burnout are often this misalignment between who they are and how they think they need to lead.
Yeah.
[00:10:37] Speaker B: Amazing. So you mentioned the psychology degree, like, and you said that was the, you know, use this word, but the catalyst. That's what I'm using, my word.
[00:10:47] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: But what was it inside that, that psychology degree that was like the light bulb moment for you? What was the thing that you're like, oh, yeah, I get it now.
[00:10:57] Speaker A: I think it was probably understanding frameworks about social conditioning that, that I wasn't even sure how I'd found myself in this place where I felt that I had to behave a certain way and communicate a certain way to hold on to my corporate leadership roles.
I just thought that that was just how it, how it had to be. And I guess I really took control of perception.
You know, it became a much more tangible thing that you could actually change. You know, you're reframing things.
You know, I think that's what it was. I was able to step back and actually look at situations from different perspectives because I could control my mindset more.
And that's when I was starting to have an epiphanies about, oh, that's why I'm feeling this way. Okay, now, how do I regulate that? What do I need to shift in myself if I can't change the environment?
And when I reflected back on a few toxic environments that I'd worked in, I did find that often it was a situation where I was in, say, a masculine, let's say a boardroom full of men, quite masculine energy. And I was Feeling like I had to match that.
[00:12:16] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: To be honest, I was probably coming off as, you know, if I can swear, a bit of a didn't, you know, it affected my communication style, it affected my professional relationships and I was getting more and more frustrated because I just didn't know how else to be.
So yeah, the psychology degree, being able to learning how to reframe my perception of things, allow. Take back a little bit more control and genuine reflection.
[00:12:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:48] Speaker C: So that's really kind of. Would you say that is that like kind of internal locus first, external locus?
[00:12:53] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
[00:12:56] Speaker C: A lot of people sit in that kind of mindset of, you know, everything else external to me is, is the caus. The fact of it sounds like you really did a shift towards more kind of like internal locus focus.
[00:13:07] Speaker A: Absolutely. Like the degree focused a lot on the psychosocial and as you said, that locus of control that we often are very quick to blame our colleagues, structures, processes, you know, for our frustrations. But often it is understanding, maybe it's us that needs to shift something, change our communication, change our approach.
Yeah. Once you can change what you have control over, the external correspondingly shifts as well and you get the wins.
[00:13:40] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely, definitely. That's so true. What would you say, like, has there been any kind of strategies in business that have really helped you get to where you are? Like what's, like what's really moved the needle for you?
[00:13:54] Speaker A: I guess so. I think going back to. There's a Brene Brown quote where she says who you are is how you lead.
So I becoming much more self aware of who I am has definitely changed how I lead in that I'm much more conscious of how I communicate with people. I'm much more conscious of how I maintain relationships. And I've really, I really understand now that relationships and communication are everything. No matter what field of work you're in, you are dealing with people and everything's about people. So if you don't really know who you are as a human being, you can't possibly.
I don't want to use the word manipulate, that sounds wrong but you know, you can't collaborate with others and influence others if you don't know yourself.
[00:14:55] Speaker C: Yeah, that's so true.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: So when you're, when you're just getting back into, you know, talking about your business worth careers and the clients that you work with and your education side of things, you know, when you're, when you're working with people, do you have a series of processes that, and strategies that you walk your clients through to help them reach the outcomes that they, they would need.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Of course there's always going to be processes in place. You know, I, I need to upfront let my clients know the journey that we're going to go on and kind of set their expectations.
What I can achieve for my clients is that mindset shift that, that changed everything for me. So I can't get them a new job. I'm, you know, sometimes I have clients going, I've just got to get out of what I'm doing and I need you to help me find a new job. I'm not an employment agen. Yeah, there are a million employment agencies. There are plenty of career agencies that you can go to and they'll help you with job search and they'll write your resume. They'll help you do cover letters. That's not what I do.
I'm going for a much deeper shift. So the first step in the process is actually having a conversation and listening to the narrative, the stories that people are sharing. And then we kind of break it down and go, well, how much, if you go back to that locus of control, how much that is actually how you're reacting to things and how much is actually out of your control as you seem to think it is.
So I use the reframing that, that I learned to look at different perspectives of whatever the issue is because often the issue isn't what, what clients come to me thinking it is, you know. Yeah, so true. I'm in this toxic environment. You know, how do I get my boss to understand this? How do I get them to see me like this so that I can get, you know, the advancement I'm looking for or the recognition. And it's like that doesn't turn out to usually be the case at all.
Often people who come to me are almost in fight and flight. They feel they're battling everybody.
So this comes out in their communication and their impatience and their lack of emotional intelligence. They're just not using it because they're stuck in this.
Yeah. Battle mode and they, they just want to win.
So shifting that, and as I said, when you shift that, how people respond to you changes. And all of a sudden my clients are like, you know what? I don't know that I do need to leave my workplace because now I'm doing this, you know, I'm communicating this way, or I've had a bit of a self awareness epiphany and I'm doing things a little differently. I'm getting different responses, outcomes suddenly I am more visible. Suddenly I am getting the recognition that I was craving.
Maybe I don't need to now completely throw in my career and start from scratch again.
[00:18:07] Speaker B: I love that. And what you said before, from a like, you know, from a brand perspective, your, your sell position as a business is very, very different, as you said, to like a careers agency, really, you go deep into the, the psyche of a human being and really uncover what's possibly missing for them. And I, and, and comparing that to a careers agency is, it's like, it's like apples and oranges, isn't it?
[00:18:35] Speaker A: Absolutely, yeah.
[00:18:36] Speaker B: And, and the value of that, I mean, being that I've, I've also studied some forms of psychology such as NLP and, and Jared too. And well, I've, I've did a coaching course back in the day. So I really understand the value of what you can provide to people, especially when they need. They, they think, as you said, they, they come, they come to you thinking they just want to get a new job. But then when you uncover what's really going on, they, they have this epiphany, as you said. It's like, oh, wow, do I really need to leave what I'm doing? Actually it's quite good. I just got to shift myself.
[00:19:08] Speaker A: Absolutely. Because usually they've developed this pattern that I had, you know, it doesn't matter. They can job hop, they can, you know, go from company to company and the thing they take with them is themselves and they keep finding the reoccurring issues, eventually pop their heads up again and it's like, well, you know, at some point we need to look at ourselves, don't we?
[00:19:29] Speaker B: Absolutely. It's that self awareness, isn't it, Paula?
[00:19:32] Speaker A: Absolutely, yeah.
[00:19:33] Speaker B: Wow, that's fantastic. So for the people that are listening, you, you mentioned previously that you've been running your business on the Sunshine coast for what, 15, 15 months. Am I correct in saying that, Paula?
[00:19:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
[00:19:48] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And so where do you. Just talking about the, the future of the business, where, where do you see it going? Or what's your, what's your vision? I guess. Or what's your. Yeah. What's your idea for the future?
[00:20:00] Speaker A: So look, I, I know that I should come out and say, you know, it's all about goal setting and having a vision. And I think I'm really comfortable with shifting visions now. I pursue opportunities. So I think because I'm not fighting to get this business to a certain place by a certain timeline, which I'll admit I did Start off with this very clear vision of where I wanted it to be and my timeline for that. And now I've kind of, I'm just much more comfortable in it and I'm taking opportunities as they come along.
So sometimes as I said I, I recognize I'm a little bit ADHD here and, and I do need to have some boundaries myself of not just going, yes, I'll, I'll do that and I'll do this and I'll do the next thing. But I am finding I'm moving more into broader professional development. So initially I had called my company Worth Careers Coaching and then I've come to realize it's so much more than that. And unfortunately the term coaching is maybe overused by people who don't have the depth of knowledge or expertise. You know, you don't have to have a qualification to be a coach. And I found that using the term coaching was a bit of a double edged sword. Some people were looking for that one on one connection but really what they were after was mentoring rather than coaching. And I was getting, people were confused between what's the difference between a life coach and a career coach.
And so what I've shifted more towards is the professional development specialist because I have this strong background in education, education, tertiary education, corporate training.
So I've held a couple of larger events, professional development, I do corporate workshops and from that I do get some one on one clients but finding the bigger platforms where my business is heading because it's resonating with people. So someone will attend an event and then from that I will get an offer like I did an event the other weekend and someone liked my messaging and liked my communication style and, and asked me to be an emcee for a large women's event down in Brisbane. So I'm just following, following where it's leading me I guess, and, and not being too close minded on where I want it to go and just letting it organically take me where I guess it can do the most good.
[00:22:52] Speaker B: I love that. I, I, and what you said just before really hit the nail on the head for me as well. And, and Jared, because Jared and I have these conversations quite frequently and that is, you know, being that there's, let's face it, there's so many coaches in the world today and a lot of them sadly don't have formal qualifications.
[00:23:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:12] Speaker B: And that doesn't mean there's any, you know, wrong or right here. But when someone like yourself who's got multiple degrees and, and, and qualifications behind them There is a whole different style of approach here. And, you know, and because you've been there and done it, you've got the life experience, you've got the professional experience, there's a lot more. You've walked the walk as opposed to just talking to talk, you know, and I, I find that extremely valuable. And I know that would resonate with a lot.
It's one thing to be able to talk to someone about something and have some knowledge around a certain topic, but it's a whole different game when you've walked it and you've actually lived it. And people will, will show up because of that, I believe. And Jared and I discussed this, as I said before, quite frequently about this topic.
So have you found that when you're working with people as well, Paula, like, they, they, when they talk to you about it, they say, oh, I've chosen you because of this reason.
[00:24:13] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely.
I find that a lot of my clients come from, say, speaking engagements that I've done. I didn't deliberately seek out speaking opportunities, but because I do have that lived experience and feel so strongly that I just see so many people around me just on that burnout trajectory and they don't even know how to get off the train.
I'm really passionate when I speak, so I have so many people who come up to me afterwards and go, you're a great speaker. It's like, I'm not actually a great speaker. I'm. I'm just really experienced and passionate and, and genuinely have lived, lived it. So I don't need to plan a speech. I don't, you know, sit down and prepare a keynote or anything like that. I speak from the heart. And that's when people come up to me and go, oh, my God. That resonated with me. Or, you know, when you told that bit about this, I actually never used to talk about the burnout to breast cancer thing because I thought it was almost a little bit, almost cliched, perhaps. So last year when I launched my business, I actually didn't come out with burnout and breast cancer, if you like.
I sort of somehow thought that I didn't want to.
I didn't want that to be a selling point.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I hear you.
[00:25:44] Speaker A: But I found that when I have started sharing it, and that's only been a recent thing, I didn't want sympathy. I guess maybe is that why I wasn't sharing it? But when it did sort of start coming out, so many people like, oh, my God. It was for them a real, oh, wow, she really has been there. You know, they did push it to the absolute limit and I can see that. I might do that too. So perhaps now is the time to have an intervention and, and get some support on this.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: I love that. And I suppose just, you know, as you're saying that, I mean, it makes sense, right? Like we're as business people, as entrepreneurs, whatever we want to title ourselves as. It's, it's, it's the story behind where we've been that essentially has created where what we're doing now and what we're, and what we're creating in, in the professional sense. It's that story, isn't it, Paula, that has motivated us and driven us to achieve what we want to achieve because we've lived it and breathed it and we know that. I'll talk for myself here now, by the way. I shouldn't say we, but it's, it's that, it's that burning desire because you know that on some level the story is what can help others. Because you've been there before, you know.
Absolutely.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: That's why my business is called Worth, because I realized I'd spent my whole life trying to earn my worth, earn my, my place in the world. And that was where it had got me burnout and breast cancer. So it's like my business is about finding your worth in who you inherently are. And your career is a, is an amazing vehicle for well being, identity, obviously, financial security. You know, of the five pillars of well being, career is actually the most influential on all the other areas, which is, you know, finances and relationships and psychological health and physical health. So career actually has the greatest influence on all aspects of our life.
So I, I believe really genuinely that if you can get your career under control and in perspective, everything else in life balances out. Now, for some people, that might mean elevating their career and, you know, climbing the corporate ladder. But for others, it might be recognizing that they actually just need a job and their worth comes from so many other parts of who they are.
[00:28:17] Speaker B: I love that. It's really the purpose behind things, Paula.
[00:28:20] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah.
[00:28:21] Speaker B: Amazing.
Awesome. Well, yeah, thank you for sharing all that. I really appreciate that. And as we're talking, listening to your story, it's amazing to hear, as I said before, where you've been, where you've been before and where you are now and where you're going. I'm sure it's an enlightening journey ahead.
Do you have anything that you want to share with the audience that you feel is relevant to them? And be able to help them in their journey.
[00:28:49] Speaker A: Look, actually in your introduction you were talking about what you and Jared can offer people in terms of, you know, visibility and getting a message out. And we were talking about this before the recording began. And I have really found that having a vehicle to allow people to find you is really, really important. As an entrepreneur. You can have the best idea, you can be incredibly passionate about it, you can be, you know, an absolute expert, a specialist, but if people can't find you, then you can't help.
So that's probably been my biggest learning over the, the 14 months that I've been establishing Worth is how to get my message out. You know, branding was incredibly important, so I feel like I really nailed it with Worth. It encompasses what I do, who I am, what my mission is, but, you know, things like web design, the, the integration for customer service, all that sort of stuff, I feel like I've spent 14 months learning that.
So that's definitely really important. It's all very well to have a great idea and have the passion behind it, but you also need to have the reach.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: Love it.
Well, is there any other questions you want to share or ask Paula? Jared?
[00:30:22] Speaker C: Yeah, just one. Just what we were talking about. Obviously, you know, the connections that you make with people, would you say there's a, like a favorite memory that you have of someone that you've worked with or something really kind of stands out?
[00:30:37] Speaker A: Well, yeah, actually, before I decided to establish Worth, I had a friend, an associate, not so much a great friend, but someone who lived nearby and I had a little bit to do with and I actually kind of worked through the whole process with her unknowingly. And it was her success and total shift, which I'll come back to in a second, that made me go, oh my God, I've. I've actually got something here that I need to get to other people, share with other people. So this, this person, she was early 30s, mum of a 5, 6 year old, she was working in retail and she was like huge personality and she, she mentioned to me just in a conversation at a barbecue that she was actually really unhappy. She had been working in management before. She met her husband, got married, had a baby, life changed. So now she was working a job that was probably beneath her qualifications. She wasn't loving it, but it fitted in with the family. So so long as she could pick up her son from school and be home to cook dinner for her husband, you know, I guess she needed to be happy with. That was her, was her feeling and so after a few conversations she actually did some study.
She did a certificate for in workplace training and assessing. She leveraged her, she was actually in retail management before and she leveraged that previous experience to go into training apprentices and trainees in retail. Within six months she had a job that she loved.
She had unfortunately split up with her husband and this is, you know, a bit of a byproduct sometimes of transition.
She had found herself again and he was not supportive of that and so she had to cut that relationship, unfortunately.
But to see her now 12 months out the other side, she is a new woman and she is 100% herself, genuinely enthusiastic about everything life has to offer. She's a better mum because she is more excited about life. She's a better model for her son.
She's bought herself an apartment.
Just the empowerment that I saw in her. She inspired me to go. All she needed was someone to hear her story, help her unpack it a little bit, show her that there was hope for something more and that she could actually manage all these things at the same time. She didn't need to wait 10 years for her son to be older before she could embrace life.
[00:33:36] Speaker B: Story. What a story, Paula. Amazing. Well, thanks for sharing that.
Well, one last question I have for you Paula, is people that are listening. I'm sure there's a lot of people that actually would, would really need your help. In fact, I'm sure there would be because it's highly valuable what you're doing and you can see there's a need for it in the market as well, a strong need for it. In fact, in this day and age, definitely a need for it. So on that regard, can you share for the listeners where they can find you so they can get in touch with you?
[00:34:07] Speaker A: Absolutely. So I have a website you can go to www.worthcareers.
you'll find me there. There are some free resources on my website that can help you do a little self diagnostic of where you are and maybe where you want to be.
So there's a few other free resources there you can have a look at, you can read my backstory and obviously you can reach out. I offer a 20 minute just coffee chat. So no obligation, just want to hear your story.
And then if you wanted to proceed to do some work with me, I offer a 45 minute strategy conversation as well. All no obligation before we even look at doing anything together. So I'm, I'm here to genuinely hear people's stories and help them reframe them in a more positive way, help them move forward. So, yeah, please go and check out my website and see if there might be something there for you.
[00:35:09] Speaker B: It's fantastic. Well, you heard it from Paula there, guys. It's www.worthcareers.com. that's www.worthcareers.Com.
reach out to Paula. She's got a lot to to share. And I'm sure just by being able to share your story with Paula, she'll be able to help you uncover exactly what you need so you can move forward in your journey, depending on what that is. So thank you very much for everyone that's listening today and thank you, Paula, for being here. Really appreciate your time and I love the conversation. Actually, Paula, it's. It's been very humble and easy to talk to you, to be honest.
[00:35:46] Speaker A: That's what I strive for. Humble and easy to talk to.
[00:35:49] Speaker B: Funny. We were talking just before we. We got on the call, didn't we? We said, I want this to be authentic and real. And it exactly was that. And when we have these conversations, feel so much more at home just to be able to just have a conversation. So it's been great.
[00:36:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you.
[00:36:05] Speaker B: Okay, guys. Well, thank you very much for listening to the podcast today. This is your host, Jared Asher Herring and your co host, Jared Break for us. If you want to reach out, you have a need in the market where you feel you need some help and guidance in regards to your strategy for growth or if you've got ideas that you want to accelerate your brand, we can help you with that. We've got positions where we offer two to three sessions a week. Like Paula said, we offer a complimentary strategy meeting. There's no, there's no obligation whatsoever. It's more just to us to hear exactly what you need and see if we're the right fit. We can help you on your journey by helping you with your SEO or your paid ads or your brand strategy. It's all about helping you identify what you need so you can grow your business. So if that's what you're interested in, all you got to do is go to www. Timelesscreative.com boardroom. That's www.com timelesscreative.com boardroom. And that's it for the podcast today. Thank you very much for listening and we look forward to talking to you soon.
[00:37:13] Speaker A: You've been listening to the brand Alchemy podcast with your hosts, Jared Asher and Jared Jared Break. For more information or to request your spot as a guest speaker, go to www.timelesscreative. com. A.
